Fredericksburg, Virginia

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Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by kg4peq » 09 Mar 2009 23:47

I know the current and former grocery players in the Fredericksburg, Virginia area include Giant (MD), Ukrop's, Safeway, Food Lion/Bloom/Bottom Dollar, and a number of independents.

I'm curious, did Kroger ever have a presence in Fredericksburg?

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by rich » 10 Mar 2009 10:07

Fredericksburg was the northernmost location of Winn-Dixie on the East Coast. they opened there about 10 years ago and closed the store in their first round of store closings before the eventual bankruptcy.

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Post by kg4peq » 10 Mar 2009 16:28

I had forgotten about Winn-Dixie. That store on Route 3 lasted all of five minutes.

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by xsafeway » 07 Mar 2010 10:58

Actually Safeway has been gone from Fredericksburg since the 90s. The nearest Safeways are in Culpeper and Woodbridge.

Since the sale of Ukrops, the Fredericksburg store was closed (on 1/31) because it was not part of the sale. This store was rumored to be closing for some time but I think the Giant at Harrison Crossing really hurt its sales.

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Post by kg4peq » 07 Mar 2010 21:53

xsafeway wrote:Actually Safeway has been gone from Fredericksburg since the 90s. The nearest Safeways are in Culpeper and Woodbridge.

Since the sale of Ukrops, the Fredericksburg store was closed (on 1/31) because it was not part of the sale. This store was rumored to be closing for some time but I think the Giant at Harrison Crossing really hurt its sales.
Original post: "Current and former" ... used to shop at the Four Mile Fork Safeway all the time. It's where I got the Safeway Club Card I still carry around. In fact, planning to make the hike from Richmond to Culpeper tomorrow for some Safeway cinnamon buns!

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Post by kg4peq » 07 Mar 2010 22:18

The reason I asked -- and am still curious -- about Kroger's presence in Fredericksburg is that I seem to remember a building similar to that in the 2nd and 4th pictures in this thread: http://www.groceteria.com/board/viewtop ... =18&t=2313 located in.... gosh... I think it was called the Greenbrier Shopping Center? Coming from Route 1 and headed west on Route 3 it was at the top of the hill on the left, and in fact I think it *was* a Big Lots for a little while, could still be. It's been a while since I have been through there.

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by Groceteria » 07 Mar 2010 22:36

I'm guessing this is the store you're thinking of:

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If so, I'm pretty sure it wasn't a Kroger, although it was likely some flavor of supermarket. The design seems to be a function of the center rather than any specific chain. It actually looks something like a Food Lion to me.

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Post by kg4peq » 07 Mar 2010 22:52

Yes. That's the one. It's been a while since I've seen it... looking at all these grocery stores over the years, sometimes the various arches just run together!

A Google Search of the local newspaper reveals there was once an A&P in that shopping center:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lX ... nter&hl=en

...as well as a Drug Fair, which is the most likely occupant of that particular spot, since the Drug Fair stores of the 1970's and early 1980's were around that size. We used to have one in my hometown of Ashland, VA, which was slashed in half when Rite Aid took over the stores:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nQ ... nter&hl=en

The space at the opposite end of the shopping center was a Woolco in 1978 - scroll to the bottom:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vQ ... nter&hl=en

...which would have left Drug Fair as the occupant of the large space in question, which I believe is still a Big Lots today. So... where was that A&P? Maybe in the Drug Fair space before DF came along?

EDIT: Confirmed! Former A&P, 2000 Plank Road. A&P -> Drug Fair -> Juvenile Toys (?) -> Big Lots.

Page 6, at the bottom: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=9W ... nter&hl=en

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by xsafeway » 13 Mar 2010 16:30

By 1985 the A&P had been converted to Super Fresh, it lasted until 1987-88 before closing. At the other end of the center was the K-Mart, it closed about the same time and moved west on Route 3 to a new center anchored by a new Giant.

Across the street in the Westwood Center was a late 70s/early 80s Safeway. This store was closed when they consolidated the Richmond Division into the Washington DC Division in the early 90s. There is a brick frame on the front of the Staples where the mosaic "S" was displayed.

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by NoVa Grocery Buff » 12 Oct 2018 16:50

I was in Fredericksburg the other day and noticed one of the old Safeway locations along Route 1.
It looks like an old Marina style store. It looks very similar in age to the one in Orange, VA.

Google Street View:
https://goo.gl/maps/MLqCqXUbgWs
Due to the street layout, you can get just over a 180-degree look at the building. It hasn't changed much from 2009-2018 surprisingly.

News article showing it was still open as of 1986
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=w ... %2C4369374

Attached is a photo I took of the interior.


Another Safeway mentioned that is out of my knowledge and is hard to tell if it indeed was a Safeway was 1406 Princess Anne St.
Streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/LagcyzgLzdq
News article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 99,1077227
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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by Groceteria » 03 Nov 2018 20:35

NoVa Grocery Buff wrote:
12 Oct 2018 16:50
Another Safeway mentioned that is out of my knowledge and is hard to tell if it indeed was a Safeway was 1406 Princess Anne St.
It looks like it could very easily have been a 1940s-era store. I would expect it to have closed way before 1979, though, and probably to have had subsequent tenants. I find it very intriguing that the article still refers to it as "the former Safeway."

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by rich » 06 Nov 2018 11:55

At least in DC proper, some 40s stores made it into the 80s. They seem to have had waves of store closings in the mid-80s and early 90s. I saw the 90s closings--marinas and pylons. Some of the 80s closures were identified as such and were being considered for redevelopment--two were near stops soon to open on the Green/Yellow line in Shaw and Columbia Heights.

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by BillyGr » 06 Nov 2018 14:50

rich wrote:
06 Nov 2018 11:55
At least in DC proper, some 40s stores made it into the 80s. They seem to have had waves of store closings in the mid-80s and early 90s. I saw the 90s closings--marinas and pylons. Some of the 80s closures were identified as such and were being considered for redevelopment--two were near stops soon to open on the Green/Yellow line in Shaw and Columbia Heights.
Probably not as surprising in the more populated areas of cities, since many times even if the store/chain wanted to replace or enlarge a store there may just not be any spot where they can do so.

Therefore, they have to work with what they have and find ways to fit in things (higher shelving, smaller aisles) or eliminate items (like areas where people are walking to the store or using transit, and where apartments are on the small side there may not be as much demand for large packages of items, so removing those from their standard setup would help with overcrowded shelving, or not carrying as many different varieties of a particular item).

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Re: Fredericksburg, Virginia

Post by Groceteria » 06 Nov 2018 22:40

rich wrote:
06 Nov 2018 11:55
At least in DC proper, some 40s stores made it into the 80s.
Actually, there's still one operating in DC at 4865 MacArthur Blvd in the Foxhall/Palisades area, though it has been expanded a bit. I think it's probably one of the oldest stores in the chain still operating under the Safeway name. But that sort of longevity is definitely more common in large, dense cities than in places like Fredericksburg, where there's plenty of room to expand.

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Post by rich » 08 Nov 2018 10:41

The Palisades store has been targeted for replacement for sometime but has run into local opposition. I suspect the Chevy Chase store may be similar in vintage along with one in Adams Morgan on Columbia Road which obviously has been built-out several times. The most obvious 40s store is the "Soviet Safeway" at 17th & Corcoran, which recently had an update. This is a much more walking area than Palisades or Chevy Chase and, although the store now has more competition, it was rumored to have the highest sales/square foot of any store in the chain back in the 90s.

There are several Safeways from the 20s that operate as independents, including one on Columbia Road near Kalorama which has operated as an independent for decades, but now is for lease.

As for Fredricksburg, if it had decent volumes, a long-term affordable lease and decent volumes, a Safeway chain willing to keep older stores open in DC probably was willing to do it in small markets. I can think of examples of where Kroger kept stores from the 40s or, at most very early 50s until the super store era in small towns, and Kroger always seemed willing to kill off stores that were 10 years old or even younger in those days.
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